He is tired but in a good mood. SPD leader Norbert Walter-Borjans has been on all night Traffic light paper negotiated.
Tax increases for the rich are off the table. He thinks it’s sad when we meet him for an interview on Friday. Still, he thinks the traffic light is good.
BILD am Sonntag: Mr Walter-Borjans, what is your direction for the traffic light?
Norbert Walter-Borjans: “Departure for Germany – Security in Transition.”
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You had to make the biggest concessions for the smallest partner, the FDP. Because without Lindner, there would be no traffic light. Does the FDP boss have you in hand?
Walter-Borjans: “The great achievement of the explorers was that each of us thought for the others and it was clear to everyone: It was about the future of the whole country. Christian Lindner must be able to explain to his people why he goes with the traffic lights. But we must. And so do the Greens. “
For the FDP, the road to the traffic lights was certainly the longest.
Walter-Borjans: “Everyone at the negotiating table acknowledged that.”
You accused Lindner of “voodoo economy”. You have now promised him no tax increases and still meet the debt limit. Is former NRW Minister of Finance Walter-Borjans now also a voodoo economist?
Walter-Borjans: “The election campaign is about differences. Now it’s a matter of compromise. The SPD does not have an absolute majority. But we have also achieved important goals: minimum wage, stable pension level, maintaining the solos. Everyone gave something – and together they achieved a lot. “
They want to spend billions on climate protection, and put another ten billion in pensions. But do not say where the money should come from.
Walter-Borjans: “We will fight tax fraud and money laundering even more, close tax loopholes, use the credit institution for reconstruction, but also take advantage of the opportunities that the debt brake allows us.”
The traffic light paper says: We will intensify the fight against tax evasion, money laundering and tax evasion. That Minister of Finance Scholz did not do enough about it?
Walter-Borjans: “On the contrary: he pushed and achieved a lot. After all, Germany is still a money laundering paradise. The authorities do not even comply with the processing of the banks’ suspicious transaction reports. The state still has a lot to gain in the fight against money laundering and tax evasion. But for that, he needs to become even more powerful. “
How much is it?
Walter-Borjans: “I think it’s absolutely realistic that combating fraud and closing holes could lead to annual revenues in the tens of billions.”
Your election campaign tax plans have been canceled. No increase in the top tax rate, no wealth tax – does the traffic light protect the rich?
Walter-Borjans: “We are convinced that taxing for the vast majority is only possible if the top earners contribute more. That could not happen with the FDP. But bargaining at eye level means that you do not get through all your own goals. But with minimum wages, basic provisions for children and more subsidized housing, we have been able to reach agreements that are very valuable for low and normal earners. “
Germans groan over rising energy prices. They want to abolish the EEC fee for electricity “as soon as possible”. Already next year or on St. Never’s Day?
Walter-Borjans: “That means within this election period, so at least in 2025. That brings an average household about 300 euros a year.”
Should SPD members vote on the coalition agreement or is a party conference enough?
Walter-Borjans: “The SPD, Greens and FDP have already proven that they can achieve something great. In the SPD there is no “no traffic light” vote as there is against the GroKo. As chairmen elected by the members, Saskia Esken and I have a special responsibility. We have put an end to the fact that the members are only addressees for the decisions in Berlin. There must be sufficient membership participation, for example online. Given the overwhelming approval in the SPD, the time and cost of a classic membership survey would hardly be justified. “
The first person to be decided by the SPD is to succeed Wolfgang Schäuble as president of the Bundestag. Can you ever pass a woman?
Walter-Borjans: “First of all: the largest parliamentary group traditionally delivers the president of the Bundestag, and this time we are it. There is no reason to change anything. Second: There are a number of suitable women and men in the SPD parliamentary group, starting with our parliamentary group leader Rolf Mützenich. “
Then with Mützenich, Scholz and Federal President Steinmeier, three SPD men would be at the top of the state.
Walter-Borjans: “All three are excellent personalities, the three offices have no relationship with each other. We will handle it responsibly. “